Anonymous asked: Friendly notice that you reblogged something with the word st*pid in it and you may want avoid/tag ableist language, especially when comparing bigotry to intelligence is harmful to many non-nt people, and lets bigots off the hook.
Thanks for the friendly notice. However, I have heard from the non-nt (and disabled!) folks in my life that the word is not a slur, is not ableist, and avoiding it is counterproductive to the ableism they face. (I remember one friend of mine was very angry, because making a fuss over the word allowed others to “white knight” and seem allies whilst ignoring structural issues and far worse slights. It was a very involved conversation. And this friend was non-nt and had an invisible disability.) However, I am opening up the floor to my non-neurotypical followers to chime in on the matter.
In a separate matter, I am not sure what intellegence or lack thereof has to do with bigotry or non-nerotypicality. Are you saying non-nt folks are less intellegent, even on average? Because that would be awfully ableist. There are many ways to be non-nt, and many result in as equal (if not higher) testable intellegence. I do know that people who consider themselves smart but refuse to logic out of bigotry or convenience certainly aren’t acting as clever as they think themselves, nor as good, and truly I do not understand why pointing that out is ableist.
I again yield the floor to my non-nt followers to chime in, as this concerns them.
Anon, stupidity as the word is generally used colloquially has nothing to do with disability. If you believe there is such a connection, then please stop berating other people and try examining your own attitudes about people with intellectual and developmental disabilities.
I am a disabled person who doesn’t give a rat’s ass about people using the word “stupid.” But I do object pretty strongly to non-disabled people who pretend to be anti-ableist by focusing on petty language issues while they themselves perpetuate ableist ideas. That’s not anti-ableism or anti-any kind of oppression. Please stop.
Edited to add: “Friendly notice” is always anything but. Fuck you, anon.
I’ve heard, and wikipedia says, that stupid was used as a psych diagnosis. I’ve heard that words which used to be used clinically should be avoided, even if modern ‘colloquial’ use isn’t clinical.
I’m troubled by how the reblogs are attacking the anon instead of discussing the issue at hand. Assuming someone is abled because they disagree with you is a pretty major and uncalled for assumption.
And I work with people with intellectual disabilities whose faces crumple when people tell them they should be offended by the word “stupid” because it describes them. Thanks for another reason to mistrust Wikipedia.
Ok, but there’s people with intellectual disabilities who are offended at ‘stupid’ being used as a slur. And most people don’t like being called ‘stupid’, and telling people ‘Stupid describes you’ is a shitty thing to do, and I don’t get why you’re bringing it up to seemingly defend continued used of ‘stupid’ as a pejorative.
I can go dig my psych textbooks out of storage and give you a non-wikipedia cite for it being used as a diagnosis, if ‘wikipedia’ is your problem there, but this is tumblr. Finding people who choose to disclose their intellectual challenges AND explain why they find ‘stupid’ to be hurtful wouldn’t be a lengthy process, I’d expect. And there’s almost certainly history of psych textbooks on google books.
But I feel like I’m saying ‘Some people say stupid is hurtful and there’s history behind it being so’ and you’re saying ‘Don’t tell me what to be offended by! I’m not hurt by it so no one else should be either.’ Except then you’re giving an example of people being hurt by it when it was possibly not being meant to be used hurtfully, which seems to me just further supports ‘it’s a word that can hurt people’. And I don’t know where the disconnect is.
You have no idea how language works. I don’t care if “stupid” used to be a diagnosis. “Moron,” “idiot,” and “imbecile” WERE diagnoses. They have become separated from those meanings. The majority of people would never have even known they were once diagnoses if the ZOMG ABLEIST!!! crowd hadn’t been reinforcing the connection repeatedly the last few years.
Etymology != meaning.
What?! They are not separated from those meanings if they’re still regularly used in that context. People with learning disabilities are still called “stupid” every day for things they can’t help. Children who suffer abuse, neglect, hunger, violence, etc, who can’t concentrate in school, dropped out, etc, are still called “stupid.” People who can’t spell perfectly, don’t use perfect grammar, don’t have english as a first language, or speak in different dialects are called “stupid.” People who just have never been exposed to certain information, but are open to it and able to understand it once exposed are called “stupid.”
Current diagnosis or not, to suggest that those words are removed from their original intent is absurd. As much as I don’t agree with using the word as a derailing tactic when someone is making an important point that you want to ignore, I don’t understand the harm in making yourself aware that the word causes quite a bit of harm to a lot of innocent people. The “ZOMG ABLEIST” crowd consists of people who have either been directly harmed by the use of certain words over things that are out of their control, or are people who have empathy for them. What horrible people, let’s point and mock them because we like using the words that hurt them. Those who are affected are split on it, well, I tend to choose the path of least harm. It harms nobody for me to avoid words like “stupid” whenever possible, so I try to avoid doing it. It’s not easy, these words are deeply ingrained and normalized, but all we can do is try.
The message is not that the word “stupid” describes people with learning disabilities. The word “bitch” doesn’t describe me as a woman but it is still used against me on the basis of my womanhood in order to marginalize and oppress me.
Are you fucking serious?! You’re comparing the insult “bitch,” which is very much gendered and therefore originally aimed at women, to the insult “stupid,” which has never been aimed at any particular demographic, not even strictly at oppressed demographics?
The word is used so broadly across so many contexts that it is not the same thing. And NOBODY is obliged to stop using any insult without a specific oppressive context lest random strangers be triggered by it. Your argument is ludicrous and, as such, pretty much what I’ve come to expect.
To me, it’s like someone saying “ugly” is a slur against fat people. It’s not a nice word. It’s hurtful. It’s something I and other fat people have been called within our lifetimes. But to tell me that word is inextricably linked to me is even more insulting than the word, itself.
And if it were skinny people running around yelling about banning “ugly” on fatties’ behalf, I’d speak up REAL fast.
I just blocked this fucking moron (see what I did there?). I’m sick of this argument. It hasn’t gotten any more intelligent (see what I did there?) since the late and unlamented disabledfeminists.com started banging that drum several years ago.